Anyone planning on taking the *new* Hasson and Wong liposomal topical fin?

[FuzzyWuzzy]

I took Fin 3+ years ago. Terrible sides within a week so I stopped. Have not taken fin or minox ( or anything else) since. Got a blood test Monday in anticipation of this new topical fin being available in the US. Once H&W release it in the US I'll take it as well as get new blood tests. ( prob after 45-90 days assuming no immediate felt sides). Happy to post both sets of blood tests at that point.

Seperatley, I'm also gonna write a note to see the duration of the 100+/- person study that H&W did. 1/18 systemic levels vs oral may be great for initial dosing. But as Fin can reduce DHT levels for multiple days (4 according to one study) the gradual build up of 1/18s can ultimately arrive at oral systemic levels (also the reason for my 45-90 day period above)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8846625

Crossing my fingers

[Bobbylobbyhobbythrobby]

I took Fin 3+ years ago. Terrible sides within a week so I stopped. Have not taken fin or minox ( or anything else) since. Got a blood test Monday in anticipation of this new topical fin being available in the US. Once H&W release it in the US I'll take it as well as get new blood tests. ( prob after 45-90 days assuming no immediate felt sides). Happy to post both sets of blood tests at that point.

Seperatley, I'm also gonna write a note to see the duration of the 100+/- person study that H&W did. 1/18 systemic levels vs oral may be great for initial dosing. But as Fin can reduce DHT levels for multiple days (4 according to one study) the gradual build up of 1/18s can ultimately arrive at oral systemic levels (also the reason for my 45-90 day period above)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8846625

Crossing my fingers

Yeah would be interesting to see your blood DHT results. When does it become available in the US? I know that over here (EU) we have to buy it through the Italian pharmaceutical company, and their standard protocol is to mix it with 2.5% Fin concentration, if you want less e.g 0.5% you have to specify that when ordering. I am not sure if it is the same if you are buying directly from Hasson and Wong though.

[willy]

For those people intending to use this in an effort to avoid sides... will you drop other topicals? Or switch to alternating application of topicals?

My concern is that assuming the H&W vehicle reduces systemic absorption, applying minox or any other topical will cause the finasteride to be absorbed anyway through PPG / alcohol etc. Thoughts?

[Bobbylobbyhobbythrobby]

I'm not sure of the regularity in which the topical fin needs to be applied. However perhaps applying this at night and minox in the morning may suffice to limit/reduce any systemic absorption? My initial plan was to drop Minox entirely, however if it transpires that the fin topical doesn't even need to be applied everyday then I may continue with the Minox.

I'm not sure on the exact science, I know that a few others don't think that this topical work any differently (in terms of sides) to oral fin, however I don't know if H&W binding it with the liposome will stop it going systemic or not.

I guess there's only one way to find out.

[79BirdofPrey]

Question: I took Fin tablets and did not experience any negative sides, but didn't experience any hair regrowth either. I was on it for about 1 year.

Does topical Fin improve the efficacy of the product? If I didn't experience regrowth with oral fin, would my chances improve with topical?

[RU58841]

Question: I took Fin tablets and did not experience any negative sides, but didn't experience any hair regrowth either. I was on it for about 1 year.

Does topical Fin improve the efficacy of the product? If I didn't experience regrowth with oral fin, would my chances improve with topical?

Unfortunately probably not. It seemed like somebody at Hasson & Wong admitted (in one of the threads) that if there were a difference it would more likely be a bit less effective than the pill.

[79BirdofPrey]

Unfortunately probably not. It seemed like somebody at Hasson & Wong admitted (in one of the threads) that if there were a difference it would more likely be a bit less effective than the pill.

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it!

[GNX]

wow that was BRILLIANT! copy and paste Wiki.... smh ur jus too smart for anyone here. maybe H&W can hire you as an expert smh

Fin can't work without going systematic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiandrogen

you can alter the pathway by (1) stopping production of androgens or (2) blocking the receptors that receive androgens

aka

you can either (1) tackle the quarterback, or (2) you can try to intercept the ball from a wide receiver.

fin is for tackling the quarterback....it's for stopping the ball before it's been thrown (aka stopping the production of DHT before it goes into the blood stream). Which means intercepting the ball after it's been thrown is blocking the receptor from receiving androgens (or stopping the circulating DHT from acting on the receptors in your scalp).

You can't tackle the quarterback after he's thrown the ball. In other words, fin doesn't really do anything after the ball has been thrown (or the DHT has been produced and let into the bloodstream). Thus applying it locally is like thinking you can sack the QB after he threw the ball.

The only topicals that will work are ones that shut down the AR receptor. This is ideal because you can sill have high DHT (and not be a womanly man tit boy) and still stop the baldness.

if this topical fin is working (aka lowering circulating DHT), it's because it's gone systemic.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Has anyone in the US been able to get this? I check the H&W website often and only see the April 21st update. Is anyone a patient and aware of the hold-up? Was pretty excited in March, now feel a bit in limbo.

[RU58841]

Has anyone in the US been able to get this? I check the H&W website often and only see the April 21st update. Is anyone a patient and aware of the hold-up? Was pretty excited in March, now feel a bit in limbo.

Same. Waiting impatiently for an update. I tried contacting them via their website's form and just got a voicemail from someone who isn't in their Vancouver office saying I'd have to go up there for the prescription, but I'm guessing he wasn't aware of these updates or something, because I could've done that at any point in the past few years, no need to wait for them to make it available to US patients (or whatever this impending update is for).

Fuzzy, are you currently on oral fin? or anything else? Do you have a plan to switch from your current regimen to the topical? That's what I'm mostly worried about is how things might change in that transition.

[RU58841]

Also, regarding the price, a rep from Hasson & Wong said it's $130CAD for a 100-day supply, so that's under $40/month USD: http://www.hairlossexperiences.com/v...?post_id=51232

[FuzzyWuzzy]

RU -

Not perscription strength medicines ( regenpure, castor oil etc). Had terrible reaction to fin ~3 years ago and have preferred hair loss to the fin side effects. Would be great if this is truly side effect free.

I did email H&W and they confirmed that the *new* topical is slightly different than their previous offering. I hope this means less sides, as the last iteration available for the last two years continued to effect people poorly.

Did the rep tell you, as an American, to go to Canada and get a perspiration from the H&W clinic? Surprised, because in the comments on their website they specifically say that isn't possible. Would be great if it were (even though a trip to BC is way too far away for me to reasonably get an Rx)

[RU58841]

RU -

I did email H&W and they confirmed that the *new* topical is slightly different than their previous offering. I hope this means less sides, as the last iteration available for the last two years continued to effect people poorly.

Good to hear.

Did the rep tell you, as an American, to go to Canada and get a perspiration from the H&W clinic? Surprised, because in the comments on their website they specifically say that isn't possible. Would be great if it were (even though a trip to BC is way too far away for me to reasonably get an Rx)

Yep. Someone from H&W has talked about it on the forums before too, saying it's the only legal way to get it. Hoping that'll change soon, because flying to another country for a 15 minute appointment would suck.

[robodoc]

I think your analogy does not apply to topical Fin. Oral Fin may prevent conversion in the blood but topical Fin make work topically...

[George76]

Hello Bobby have you tried Top Fin

Yeah would be interesting to see your blood DHT results. When does it become available in the US? I know that over here (EU) we have to buy it through the Italian pharmaceutical company, and their standard protocol is to mix it with 2.5% Fin concentration, if you want less e.g 0.5% you have to specify that when ordering. I am not sure if it is the same if you are buying directly from Hasson and Wong though.

Have you actually buyed and tried the Top Fin solution from the Italian pharmacy?
I'm interested in contacting the pharmacy myself and buying Top Fin from them but unfortunatlty looking through their website they have no information what-so-ever on the product..